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prov·o·ca·tion - something that provokes, arouses, or stimulates. pant - to long eagerly; yearn. a collection of thoughts intended to provoke and inspire. these posts are hoping to encourage people to think, especially Christians, and pant even harder for the waterbrooks of the Lord. If you are not a believer in Christ Jesus, I welcome your perspective and encourage your investigation on these matters.

Thursday, October 20, 2005

Jack Graham Comes to Southern Seminary - Part Two

As follow-up on yesterday's post, I just want to share some of my thoughts on this. Given that I have had over a week to think about this, many things have run through my head, and because there has been very little addressing the matter, one is left to some degree of speculation. Some of my thoughts are just that - speculations; however, others I think are founded and grounded and (I think) should be pointed out. Here's my take: 1. The Southern Baptist Theological Seminary (SBTS) has historically been known for its doctrinal distinctives, of which is explicitly Reformed. For example, take the school's Abstract Of Principles (1858) on election (Article V): "Election is God's eternal choice of some persons unto everlasting life--not because of foreseen merit in them, but of His mere mercy in Christ--in consequence of which choice they are called, justified, and glorified." Secondly, let's take the Baptist Faith and Message (2000) on regeneration (Article IV.A) and election (Article IX): "Regeneration, or the new birth, is a work of God's grace whereby believers become new creatures in Christ Jesus. It is a change of heart wrought by the Holy Spirit through conviction of sin, to which the sinner responds in repentance toward God and faith in the Lord Jesus Christ. Repentance and faith are inseparable experiences of grace." "Election is the gracious purpose of God, according to which he regenerates, sanctifies and saves sinners. It is perfectly consistent with the free agency of man, and comprehends all the means in connection with the end. It is a most glorious display of God's sovereign goodness, and is infinitely wise, holy, and unchangeable. It excludes boasting and promotes humility. It encourages the use of means in the highest degree." Now I could also mention the New Hampshire Baptist Confession of 1833 or the Westminster Confession of 1647 but that would appear extraneous and redundant. The point is that what Graham believes is neither consonant with the Baptist tradition or Southern's tradition in particular. While it is true that there have been many chapel speakers who have come from other denominations who believe otherwise (i.e. Ligon Duncan and paedobaptism), they come outside the SBC denomination and disclose themselves as such. Graham, on the other hand, has spoken out against the core tenets and foundational beliefs of our school, and nothing is said about it, which leads me to my second point. 2. Once I arrived here at Southern, I suffered through an 8-hour Cooperative Program Class Lecture. One of the chief points made was loyalty to the Southern Baptist Convention. Later that week, I heard Dr. Mohler speak in chapel and emphasized how we are a confessional seminary, as professors went up on stage to sign the Abstract of Principles. Now if we are to be loyal and confessional, should we not hold true to those convictions? I mean, we are quick to lay out our convictions and positions on other matters, especially with those who are on the extreme left. But with a fellow conservative are we to just give him a microphone and ignore what he has previously said? That mentality appears to undermine the very emphasis placed upon this school as being loyal, confessional, and faithful to the Baptist tradition. I confess that we must confess not just in ceremony but in all our conversation (way of life). 3. I believe that it is precisely because of Southern's distinctiveness, academic excellence, theological framework, inspiring leadership, and unparalleled faculty that enrollment has skyrocketed. It is no secret that our school is one of the premier seminaries in the world and that our theological stance is biblical, reformed, and conservative. Yet, for those of us who have come to this school for this reason find it immensely frustrating when it appears that we are ashamed for who we are and don't want anyone to know that we are Reformed for fear of retaliation or being dubbed as "hyper-Calvinist". Those labels are nothing but stigmatization and scare tactics made to drive people away, yet I find it ironic that the very nature of this school, which draws people away, is pulling in more students than ever. Go figure. 4. Southern made a public forum out of the issue of alcohol, which has received a lot of attention both in the press and especially on blogs. The schools stance is that if you drink alcohol or are found doing so, you are no longer a student at Southern (kicked out). Fair enough. But what about people believing and teaching stuff contrary to what the school believes? We are to show grace. In one situation law is shown (alcohol), and in the other grace is shown (Arminians). Now where they line up in Mohler's theological triage is up for debate, but there is a real point to be made here. This inconsistency/duplicity seems to delegitimize or at least bring to suspicion the motivation and enforcement of the rules at Southern. We accept contrary thinking but oust contrary behaving. Is there a difference? I mean, what you believe and what you do - is there a difference? As one once said, "I believe, therefore I do." And what one believes has immediate implication on what one does. Graham believed in his stance and acted on it, and those actions are indicative of his beliefs. Are his beliefs wrong? I will leave that for you to decide, but what should be desired is consistency. If the lesser (in my opinion alcohol use) is implicitly derived and is enforced, then should it not be the same for the greater (doctrine of salvation) which is explicit and ingrained in Scripture? 5. I believe it is right to say that as a student I represent the school and am accountable to it. However, I also believe that in the same manner the reciprocal value is that the school also represents the student(s). I think the little man should have a voice, and if appropriately and sincerely presented, his/her viewpoints should be considered as legitimate. I would speculate to say that there are faculty members and students alike who would speak out and be more vocal about their take on this matter but possibly are afraid to do so for fear of institutional disciplinary action. When there are no ad homonym attacks, character maligning, or immature name calling, then intelligent conversation and dialogue should not only be accepted but considered as a valuable piece of information for future decision-making. The student should have representation and a voice, and it should not be muzzled, muted, or censored. 6. The lack of clarity and forthrightness from the administration concerning chapel speakers and how/why they are chosen has led some to speculation. Because I work third shift, I sleep in the mornings and am not able to attend chapel. However, those who I have talked to who do go express concern for the purpose of it. Is it a public relations venue for speakers? A political party favor for close friends? Or is it for the students, community edification, and corporate worship? While I cannot make first-hand assertions, others can and have. Furthermore, for teachings so contrary to this institution, there must be a significant reason as to why Graham was invited to come, and the context begs inquiry and deserves explanation. 7. Another contemplation I have had is whether the silent shift away from Reformed doctrinal emphasis is a way to appear more "mainstream" among conservative Baptists and to not be the catalyst for undue division in the convention. Possibly one may think the pendulum swung too far and too extreme after the liberals left and Mohler stood strong in the 90's. Now that the theological fight is over (in a sense), there is a reversal to a more balanced and open-minded perspective. Along with the false accusations of teaching "hyper-Calvinism", one might see why Southern welcomes chapel speakers and other theologians who are not of the Reformed tradition. After all, they are still our brothers (and sisters) in Christ. But being silent or passive about what we were once open and vocal about makes one wonder about the place of priority, transparency, and disclosure. We are who we are in good times and in bad. Our beliefs don't change or are emphasized only when forced to. We emphasize them everyday in the way we live. Where the 90's was the "upgrade" controversy at Southern, could the dawn of the 21st century be the "downgrade" controversy? I know that sounds like a stretch, and I hope it is, but how we define ourselves will determine whether controversy is better than compromise. 8. It would be perfectly clear and consistent if Graham came to Southern under the auspice of a public forum or special lecture stating why he does not believe what we believe. We do this all the time (special lectures). However, not addressing his statements and giving him wholesale endorsement and a microphone in an act of deference is in my opinion dishonest and disingenuous. Were Dave Hunt or Paul Owen or the like were to advocate their views or freewill theism, then it would be quite clear what their reception would be. Yet in Graham's case, because he is more intimately associated with the school and favorably viewed upon (which I am sure he is a great guy), then we gloss over the matter. "Faithful are the wounds of a friend, but deceitful are the kisses of an enemy." Right? 9. I am wondering what the fallout is on all that has transpired in recent years with the incessant attacks against the doctrines of grace by prominent SBC leaders. Often I hear of pastors, church leaders, and members who are booted because of their belief in Reformed theology. They are considered as false teachers or heretics in some circles, and the Brother Bubba who has Graham's and Hunt's autograph in his Bible will look to their example and be inspired to do the same. There is no telling of the harm brought upon the kingdom of God because of ignorance and poor stewardship of "the mysteries of God" which have led some to fire their pastor because of being fired up by their preacher heroes. If there is any offense and division, it is not from the Reformed side. Time and time again, we have listened and appealed to Scripture, wanting to have transparency and a seat at the table, but this is not allowed. From the local church to the national convention, there seems to be a systematic and calculated attempt to eradicate the resurgence of Reformed theology among Southern Baptists. The younger generation who hope to be good Bereans are not persuaded by inflated opinions, dogmatism, or emotional appeal. We want the truth, whether it be from a fired-up and excited expository preacher or the mouth of Balaam's ass. 10. Finally, let me conclude with something positive. I love Southern Seminary. I love our leadership and the direction our school is going. I love where God has me. And whether you believe it or not, I love Jack Graham. Yet my love cannot be blind. What I see and hear and believe, I share. I am not one for political or theological correctness. My thoughts and actions are hard to smooth over and edit. To simply say what others want to hear or compromise for the sake of appeasement is cowardice and undermining the treasure house of truth. As one dean once told me, "Tim, what you will find in ministry is not so much how to do something, but how not to do something." That has, in my case, proven to be true. I hope it is not so here. I am not ashamed of who I am or of what I believe, and I am not ashamed of my school and what it stands for. If I am wrong or singing in minor key, let it be because of the chords which have been struck from Another, and my wrongness be repented of with honesty and humility. I do believe that what you confess and believe affects everything you do. And everyone is called to do theology, not just academia or the elites. Doing theology passionately and principally has be the pursuit of my life, even at this moment. And in doing theology, sometimes times you are right and sometimes you are wrong. I have seen in my pilgrimage many times where I have been wrong in my theology and how it affected and shaped reality and my worldview. And this might just be the case to show the practicality of doing theology rightly and the importance of seminaries themselves, in that showing oneself approved, he need not be ashamed, but rightly dividing the word of truth, he will not divide the church but show it for what it is - the "pillar and buttress of truth" (1 Timothy 3:15).


Blogger Andrew C. Bain said...

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10/20/2005 01:46:00 PM

Blogger Andrew C. Bain said...

G'day Timmy,

You seem to judge Southern Seminary by every standard except the True Gospel of Justification by Christ's finished work alone. These are the questions you should be asking...

Does Southern Serminary preach that Christ's work is the SOLE ground of justification ("the end of the Law for righteousness")?

Does S.S. preach that God is infinitely holy, and will only accept the perfect obedience of Christ and his perfect sacrifice for salvation? (Romans 3,5,8,10 Galatians 2,3 John 3,6,10 etc)

And if S.S. does not meet the touch stone of truth, you know what Paul has to say. ANATHEMA.

Andrew C. Bain
Sydney, Australia

10/20/2005 01:49:00 PM

Blogger Timmy said...


I have absolutely no question as to what Southern believes about justification. That matter was not the point of this post, but rather the conflicting nature with Graham's understanding of salvation and Southern's. Precisely because Southern is settled on justifcation as solely the work of God alone in the finished work and victorious life of Jesus Christ.
Graham appears to advocate synergism and uses verses that are proof-texts for universalism, and if you listen to his sermon, one can be lead to believe that Graham believes every will be saved. Now I am quite sure he doesn't believe this, but his message certainly muddies the water.
I don't like being put in a precarious situation where my convictions force me against organizations or institutions which I love. Yet I must remind myself that I am a slave of Christ and not a hierling or in bondage to anyone's legislation of my thoughts. I love Southern Seminary and consider Dr. Mohler to be a hero of mine. I am eternally indebted to Southern Seminary for what God has done in just the year and a half that I have been here. And I hope that my loyalty and confession to this beloved institution will be refined and found unmitigated by situational vascillations or shifting sands of the Southern Baptist Confession. Some things must remain true, and an anchor must hold strong, lest we are driven by novelty, triviality, or superficiality in our age of theological ineptitude and intellectual dishonesty.

10/20/2005 07:01:00 PM

Blogger Andrew C. Bain said...

Timmy, it's time to cut to the chase, and see whether your "hero" Al Mohler is a true or false teacher. Let's judge the doctrine that comes out of his mouth, because "out of the mouth, the heart overflows". And let's judge him by the Apostles. "Judge righteous judgment" (John 7:24).

Mohler -- the President of SBTS --writes at his webblog ...

"Many Christians suffer from an absence of Christian assurance. They lack confidence in their salvation and are troubled by nagging doubts, perplexing questions, and a lack of clarity about whether assurance of salvation is actually possible."

My response: In this quote, Al Mohler is teaching that someone can believe the gospel, but not know whether or not they are a believer. Wow!! I would have a question for him. Can someone see the light of the sun, and not know they are in the light?

Think about 2 Corinthians 4:6. "Because it is God who said, "Out of darkness Light shall shine," who shone in our hearts to give the brightness of the knowledge of the glory of God in the face of Jesus Christ."

The Apostle says that ALL believers have the knowledge of Christ in their hearts. And it's not a coming and going sort of knowledge. It's PERMANENT certainty of the GOSPEL.

"Jesus answered and said to her, Everyone drinking of this water will thirst again; but whoever may drink of the water which I will give him will not thirst, never! But the water which I will give to him will become a fountain of water in him, springing up into everlasting life." (John 4:14).

According to Christ, in this passage, believers NEVER thirst because the Holy Spirit ALWAYS assures them of their salvation.

Yet Al Mohler tries to make to make doubting sound like a humble, meek state of mind. He is trying to JOIN TOGETHER what God has ETERNALLY SEPARATED -- doubt and salvation. But the sin of unbelief damns (Mk 16:16) !! In a doubter there is no witness of the Holy Spirit in the person -- they are unregenerate. Believers, who have the infallible witness of the Spirit to the Word of God, NEVER doubt the gospel, and NEVER doubt their salvation. They do NOT call God a liar in His promises to save ALL believers.

In fact, God has MANIFESTED Himself in the believer's conscience. They have his AUTHORITY and WITNESS impressed onto their minds.

He that believes God has set to his seal that God is true. John 3:33
He that believes God has the witness in himself. 1 John 5:10

Now, most people try to base their assurance on their WORKS and not God's Word. The problem with this heresy, is that to do a good work, you need to do it out of THANKS that God has saved you. Let's take a look at the Lord's supper, for instance.

Read Luke 22:19-20.
19 And taking a loaf, giving thanks, He broke, and gave to them, saying, This is My body being given for you. This do to My remembrance. 20 And in like manner the cup, after having supped, saying, This cup is the New Covenant in My blood, which is being poured out for you.

From this passage, it is clear that in order to take the Lord's Supper worthily, you have to know that the blood was shed for YOU, and the body was broken for YOU. If you do not have full assurance of salvation, you CANNOT rejoice in the finished work of Christ, and you eat and drink damnation to yourself.

Now, what about the Apostles? Did they have doubts about their own interest in Christ? No. And guess what? ALL believers have the EQUALLY PRECIOUS FAITH OF THE APOSTLES (2 Peter 1:1). If your assurance is not equal to that of the Apostles, you are lost.

Let's take a look at the assurance of the Apostles.

"I am persuaded that He is able to guard my deposit until that Day." -- Paul, 1 Tim 1:12

"Beloved, now we are the children of God," -- John, 1 Jn 3:2

"He according to His great mercy having regenerated us" -- Peter, 1 Pet 1:3

In fact, ALL the Christians in the New Testament had FULL Assurance that they were saved. Otherwise, they would NOT have known the epistles were addressed to them. Think about it. Jude writes, "to the ones called in God the Father, having been set apart, and having been kept to Jesus Christ" (Jude 1:1)

How would the recipients have known the epistle was for them, without the knowledge that they were saved?

Full assurance is the privilege of every Christian.

Andrew C. Bain
Sydney, Australia

10/20/2005 10:21:00 PM

Blogger Mark O. Wilson said...

It sure seems like you're picking a fight over something that isn't so important. Jack Graham is certainly within the realm of orthodoxy -- and is doing more to reach people for Jesus than just about anybody I've ever met.

Of course, I'm a Wesleyan -- so I'm "amening" what he said in his sermon!

10/21/2005 01:28:00 PM

Blogger Timmy said...

I am trying to decide on how much to say here. So I will try to be brief:


When I read your first post, I quite a bit of suspicion as to who you were and what was your motivation by calling Dr. Mohler or SBTS "anathema". But when I checked out your website, it made sense to me. When I read your "heterodoxy hall of shame" I saw the names of Louis Berkhof, Thomas Boston, John Calvin, John Murray, J.I. Packer, and Charles Spurgeons, of whom I assume you consider anathema. If that is the case, then do me a favor and put a footnote at the bottom and include me on the list. I would be privileged to be consider among these godly men of the faith.
I wholeheartedly believe in the mentality of "going outside the camp". As a matter of fact, it is my chief ministry verse to describe what I believe God has called me to do. Unfortunately, I believe you have gone outside the camp, but for all the wrong reasons. Your site reveals such an extreme position that no one could be considered orthodox except for yourselves. I do not consider your comments or position as credible in any way whatsoever and encourage others to view you and your organization the same.


I think that getting the gospel right is no small matter, and I do believe of course that Graham is within the realm of orthodoxy. I also appreciate the differing views such as Arminianism, but that does not mean that I can embrace it as true. The problem is that pastors and ministers today are not theologically trained, but taught to be CEO's in their church and develop entrepeneurial skills rather than exposition or exegesis. They are more focused on seekers and church growth than faithfulness to God's Word, and it is indicative when what is done in methodology is not grounded in theology but only whether it works or not. Many things work, but that does not mean that they were wrought from God.

I am aware all the more that my posts are receving a wider reading, and I am grateful for that. I feel that it is important to respond to certain comments such as Andrew's and be sure that I not only distance myself from it, but denounce it. Proof-texting or scripture quoting don't make your position biblical. So to cut to the chase, I emphatically and unapologetically make my case for the defense of Dr. Mohler, SBTS, Jack Graham, and others who, not only are not only unnecessarily considered anathema, but wrongfully done so.

10/21/2005 04:23:00 PM

Blogger John said...


I am student at Southern who happened to stumble upon your blog. I whole heartedly agree with what you said about Southern inviting people who do not agree with our confessional statement. I am just plain perplexed by it. (I am also surprised by the number of preachers that have been invited that haven't been expository as well). Anyway good job on pointing out and vocalizing the inconsistency. Like you I also love Southern. Anyway good blogging! I was at Chapel yesterday when Jack Graham was there was surpised nohting happened with all the controvesy that was stirred anyway.. Good blogging.
Grace to you

10/21/2005 08:18:00 PM


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